Thought of the day
I'm not an expert on religions. So I will assume that all Christian religions believe in the 10 commandments. There for, thaw shall not kill is one of them. There for anyone who
agrees with the death sentence given to Sadam Hussein is not in agreement with this
commandment. Since the American government relies on the Christian voters for support
to stay in office should this decision be shunned.
I am not in agreement with his actions, but this does not negate the previous statement.
As a side questions, how many innocent people have to be killed for the leaders of the troops to be liable for their deaths? Hiroshima
agrees with the death sentence given to Sadam Hussein is not in agreement with this
commandment. Since the American government relies on the Christian voters for support
to stay in office should this decision be shunned.
I am not in agreement with his actions, but this does not negate the previous statement.
As a side questions, how many innocent people have to be killed for the leaders of the troops to be liable for their deaths? Hiroshima
posted by diogo at 12:35 AM
23 Comments:
Yr talking war crimes right pal?
Some vocal Christians in say the US are not usually very structured in their thinking when it comes to the death penalty, but I guess that is another subject.
Anyway there is always the touchy indepth subject of "Thou shall not kill" while God tells the Old Testament believers to go wipe out a city. C'est ne pas blanche et noir.
diogo why must you be sooo controversial?
anyhooo, it is very confusing because while the ten commandments we read 'thou shalt not kill', we also read in the same book of the bible about 'an eye for an eye' type consequences for infractions of the law. what makes the current situation so confusing for me (not soooo much a supporter of the concept of capital punishment necessarily) is that the death penalty for saddam hussein is hardly 'an eye for any eye' now is it? how many people did he kill? even more, is how many people he tortured and hurt and are still now alive. true eye for an eye retribution would be torture to the degree he inflicted, but this is not possible because someone would have to do that, and I do suspect it's much harder for a decent person to torture than anyone suspects. even if it is someone who "deserves" it, that would really change you.
so what exactly is the appropriate punishment for saddam hussein???
THEREFORE I will now consider your 'side question'. leaders of troops are only liable (in a punishable sense) for innocent deaths if there actions are later deemed to be war crimes. these are usually determined by the winning side in the war, while that it should be by an impartial governing body such as the ideal UN. that's pretty much an entire new can of worms I don't know if I should open...i'll just leave that to you.
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An eye for an eye or turn the other cheek. I was under the impression that most Christian religions follow the example given in the New Testament. New and improves lets call it.
That said, war crimes, interesting view. Basic definition crimes against civilians.
On-looker gets hurt by stray bullet. Shooter gets sent to prison, I believe for second degree murder. 150 000 civilians supposedly killed since the take over. No one pays. Bush gets nothing. All I'm saying is lets draw our line in the proverbial sand.
In the context of the war in Iraq. Or Sadaam vs Bush
Whats do you (who ever is reading this) believe is a crime?
How should they be punished?
And don't separate religion from state.
Who has the clarity of soul to perform the punishment?
If your religion does not follow the New Testament or follows a different book then perhaps their is no conflict.
These questions in regards to original post.
At what point does good intensions fail to cover for bad results.
I’ll go first. Sadaam is bad, yet most of the crimes he committed were against armed
militias. Similar to what other countries would do. Life sentence is fair.
Put to death is murder. My religion has hypocritical past but now we say it’s bad.
So its bad.
Believe other leaders to be just as guilty. But we haven’t chosen to go after them. One rule one law, unless you’re the tough guy.
surprisingly we completely agree. if you're asking what I believe - which is what you seem to always be asking me - of course it's all a crime. bush vs. saddam who's more eveil??? what the hell do I know? who the hell am I? go after who? I have no power. but as far as I can see the whole thing is fucked, excuuuuuuuse my language. it's all a huge mess.
why the hell I'm answering your comment at this moment is beyond me. after the night i've had the last thing i'm feeling is intellectual. ya know? give me an effin break dude. i'm just a girl in a city completely separate from the whole mess and to be completely honest i'm not all that upset about that fact. i don't wanna go to work tomorrow. i just want to stay right in this moment a little while longer...
eum....I just wanted to ask if I was allowed to comment here or if it was a diogo - kristin convo....
shut up, suzy!!!
j/k. if you really think you have something to add, I suppose we won't mind.
:p
man 4:13 is a bad time to leave comments on blogs. especially after 3.5 glasses of vino.
i read this in GQ yesterday. most iraqi's, if asked would tell you that the everyday quality of life now is considerably worse than during the darkest time of saddam's reign. so i'm completely at a loss.
you exasperate me d. too many questions. all very good. i'm not going to answer all of them here. i guess in matters of biblical interpretation: old t vs. new t, you could say where there is apparent disagreement, new trumps old. long explanation not forthcoming at this time.
bush should answer for his crimes, as should any aggressor who has abused power for selfish and/or evil pursuits.
not separating state from religion... i guess i just gotta hope that what goes around comes around because i am neither an expert on state or religion.
i really do have a love/hate relationship with your blog...
I appreciate the fact that your big enough to admit that I am correct. No doubt, Suzy is in agreement as well.
oh bite me d.
Everything is not black or white. There are shades of grey. So on that note, don't be so narrow minded.
Oh yah...you know what they say when you assume....
ps: leave it to the experts
Anonymous, you have made some good points. Shade of grey is correct.
An expert I am not. May I suggest though, that it is our responsibility to question the experts because if we don't we give them total control.
true, true
It's odd D. Technically speaking I guess the leaders are liable for the innocent deaths of 1 person.
Yet all the deaths at Hiroshima were innocent except for the soldiers I suppose who were killed in the blast or afterwards by the radiation. And that was written off quite easily...
It's really hard to come to grasps with why
Thanks for all the comments.
The only thing I can surmise is that to the victors goes the morality.
It is such a shame though don't you think? Morality shouldn't be biased and shouldn't be based on who has the upper hand. Or else one day we'll all find ourselves bending the rules for varying reasons.
I couldn't have said it better.
Everything seems like such a popularity contest. I'm referring to our laws and accepted behaviors. Without stating whether these things are good or bad, war, abortion, education of sex in our schools. Nothing seems to be inherently good or bad. If 51% of the population feel this way then it must be morally good.
It’s easy to lose your humanity.
As a true believer in the Muslim religeon, And the court being a trial by his peers, Sadaam should be held to the rules of the Muslim Nation. If he raped cut off his penis, If he robbed cut off the hand of choice, If he robbed twice then cut off both hands, If he killed his own people than he should be shot, but he has been given the priveledge of a public hanging because he is a public official. He has 30 days to appeal his conviction, and appeals in the Muslim community are seldom ever granted. Under Muslim Law should they cut off all his appendages and leave him on the ground to blead out and die or should they give him the dignity of a hanging?
Don't confuse a crime commited under Muslim law and judge it under the law of any other country.
Anonymous, you make excellent points. The system in place in different nations or religions should be respected. Within reason.
That said, people still have the ability to evaluate the physical crime against their own system of law and believes. People do have the right to their opinion.
This post is and was challenging the thought process of anyone who believes in the bible's ten commandment and believes in the death penalty. Meant as a forum for discussion and not judgment.
Even the Old Testament in the bible makes references to an eye for an eye. That Christians have to evaluate. Which was part of the comments.
Yeah "Don't confuse a crime commited under Muslim law and judge it under the law of any other country." < on that part Diogo you definately didn't come across like that. For sure.
It was understood that you were questioning American ideals and actions not anyone else.
the real question, is can men and women ever truly be friends???
um.. how is THAT related? ;)
hehehehe ooops...
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